Miracle - A Universe Where All Humans of Earth Are One People
What if we didn’t separate ourselves into nations, races, and tribes, waging war and competing for resources and power? Our guest has the answer - he lives there. (Interdimensional Talks -Episode 14)
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EPISODE 14:
Can you imagine a universe where people are just humans, one big happy family?
Mike: “Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Interdimensional Talks. We have another exciting episode of exploring the differences between human civilizations throughout the multiverse. Today, we’re talking to someone claiming they live in a society without borders, countries, and national identities. It’s something we take for granted and believe to be the most natural thing in the world. Apparently, that is not the case in all human cultures. Color me intrigued. This should be a fascinating conversation, so sit back, pour yourself a drink, and listen along. Allow me to introduce Mr. Rodriguez of Earth 35259.
Welcome to Interdimensional Talks. I’m glad you could join us.”
Rodriguez: “Thank you, Mike. It’s a pleasure to be here.”
Mike: “I have so many questions. After our preinterview talk I don’t even know where to begin. I just can’t get my head around your perspective and how we can be so different, your people and mine.”
Rodriguez: “Is that so? That’s funny.”
Mike: “Why is it funny?”
Rodriguez: “I’ve been thinking about our conversation as well and can’t fathom the point of your system. It’s absolutely bewildering. Why create artificial borders and separate your planet into small zones with independent governance, only to create immeasurable problems, disputes, and conflicts? It just doesn’t make sense. Like, where did you learn to do this? I haven’t seen it anywhere else in nature.”
Mike: “That’s a great segue into this topic. Well, for us, my whole planet, everything was always separate throughout history, and there was conflict from the get-go. Maybe it’s something to do with our individuality.”
Rodriguez: “So it’s not a modern thing for your people?”
Mike: “Hell no! Since the days of the early human tribes, people have been killing each other over land and property.”
Rodriguez: “But why? What is the point of this division between my land and yours? The purpose?”
Mike: “I suppose that at first, it was about land and resources. Then religion, and lately, just power, I guess. Well, and safety, of course. On a planet with limited resources, there will always be competition. At least that’s how I explain this phenomenon.”
Rodriguez: “Oh. I think I understand. Your earth isn’t as plentiful as ours. Is it more of a desert planet?”
Mike: “No, no! Why would you assume that?”
Rodriguez: “You mentioned limited resources, so I naturally assumed…”
Mike: Oh, no. Far from it. Seventy percent of the planet is water, and most of it is green and fertile. Is your planet any different?”
Rodriguez: “No. That sounds about right. But where’s the problem then? Why are your resources so limited? Are there so many people on your planet? Is overpopulation an issue or something?”
Mike: “That’s what we’ve been told, yes. There’s just too many of us roaming around.”
Rodriguez: “Wow! That’s interesting. So, how many people currently live on your Earth?”
Mike: “Around eight billion, give or take a few million. We’re quite densely populated.”
Rodriguez: “I’m sorry. I must not have heard this right. Can you repeat the number, please?”
Mike: “Sure. Eight billion or eight thousand million people. A lot, I know.”
Rodriguez: “On the whole planet?”
Mike: “Yes. Why?”
Rodriguez: “And this is causing you problems regarding resources? You are starving and have to ration and fight over resources?”
Mike: “Well, starving is an exaggeration. Some parts of the world, maybe, but most, no. So far, we’re doing fine. It’s more of a future projection issue, I suppose.”
Rodriguez: “You mentioned that this divisiveness and fighting began long ago, right?”
Mike: “Since the dawn of time, brother. Since the beginning. It’s in our blood.”
Rodriguez: “I see. I’m sorry to tell you, Mike, but I don’t think resources are the problem here. Unless I’m missing something? You do grow vegetables and fruits, have farms, and raise livestock, yes?
Mike: “A, yeah?”
Rodriguez: “And you use natural oil, gas, and the sun as energy resources, right?”
Mike: “Of course. That’s the problem.”
Rodriguez: “How? Why is that a problem?”
Mike: “Friend, I’m not sure we understand each other. Perhaps it is a communication issue. We have limited resources on a small planet with a lot of people. This causes competition and fighting. It’s basic logic, isn’t it?”
Rodriguez: “Not really. Unless your planet is much smaller than ours. Is it?”
Mike: “Am, our Earth has about 40 million kilometers circumference. Yours?”
Rodriguez: “The same. I just can’t see the problem, Mike. I’m sorry. Do you have many wastelands, uninhabitable areas, and, I don’t know, vulcanic eruptions that make it impossible to grow food or something?”
Mike: “No, not really. A few deserts and some snow-filled land, but that’s about it. Why do you ask?”
Rodriguez: “Because, from what I can tell, we live on the exact same planet.”
Mike: “Yes, but in a parallel universe. So?”
Rodriguez: “I don’t know how to tell you this without sounding offensive.”
Mike: “Don’t worry about it. Just say what you feel. I’m not the sensitive type.”
Rodriguez: “As you wish. Last I checked, the number of people living on our planet is 93 billion, and we don’t experience any of your problems. There was never any lack of resources, food, water, land, or energy. Ever! It’s just not a thing here. I can’t understand how we can live on the same planet and have such a different experience.
You keep talking about competition, but we prefer cooperation. You mention borders and nations, but we are one people, one nation. Humans of Earth. Brothers and sisters, all of us. We’re one family, essentially. Why the need for division? Borders? Smaller countries? I don’t get it. It just sounds so silly to me. Like children fighting over toys until they learn to share.”
Mike: “I’m speechless, Rodriguez. I don’t even know … did you really just say 93 billion?”
Rodriguez: “Yes. It’s not an issue at all. Most of the planet is still uninhabited. There has never been a lack of anything. I mean, everything on our planet is renewable. Water, food, energy.”
Mike: “How is it renewable? Do you have some sort of advanced technology or something?”
Rodriguez: “Yes. It’s called planet Earth!”
Mike: “What do you mean?”
Rodriguez: “Everything constantly replenishes itself in nature. You drink your water or use it for other things. Then, in one way or another, the water evaporates and gets recycled in the clouds. As it rains, it returns as drinkable water again, replenishing water sources.
Oil and gas are natural resources that are being continuously generated under the crust. Fields we farm don’t just stop producing food. We grow food, harvest, consume it, and then use fertilizers from waste to replenish the fields, and new food grows back.
The air we breathe is just oxygen being transmuted into carbon dioxide, which is food for plants, and they use it to live while giving us oxygen in return. The sun offers free energy for at least half a day everywhere, and it never diminishes. It’s a perfect ecosystem and a cycle of life. Nothing ever runs out.
I just don’t see the problem, Mike. I’m sorry, I really don’t. If I had to guess, this is the insulting part I was trying to avoid, I would say nature or the planet isn’t the problem. If you know what I mean?”
Mike: “Yeah. I don’t know what to say, brother.”
Rodriguez: “Do things work differently on your planet, in your universe?”
Mike: “No. It sounds about right, except for the oil being renewable. That’s not true here.”
Rodriguez: “Interesting. How so? When did you run out of oil or gas?”
Mike: “Well, I mean. We haven’t. But it’s inevitable. Isn’t it?”
Rodriguez: “I don’t see why it would be. We haven’t run out of a single resource in our universe. The planet provides aplenty, all we have to do is adapt to changes and harvest what is available. You also mentioned water shortages and limited resources. Everything that is in absolute abundance on my Earth and gets replenished all the time seems to be an issue on yours. It’s fascinating, really.”
Mike: Ninety-three billion. That’s more than ten times the number of people, and you claim not to have such problems? I just don’t see how that is possible, friend. It doesn’t make sense.”
Rodriguez: “It’s fascinating, isn’t it?”
Mike: “It is indeed. Why do you think there is such a disparity between our two realities?”
Rodriguez: “I’m no expert in this field, Mike. Still, if you would allow an observation?”
Mike: “By all means, please.”
Rodriguez: “You mentioned this fight over limited resources has been a problem since the dawn of time, yes? Your exact words?”
Mike: “Yes. Sure. Since day freaking one.”
Rodriguez: “How many people lived on Earth one hundred, a thousand, ten thousand years ago? The same?”
Mike: “No, no. A lot fewer people. Let me check. I want to know where this is going.”
Rodriguez: “Please do. I have a theory you might not like.”
Mike: “He, he, he. I can live with that. Maybe we’ll learn something new. Okay, so I have the data. One hundred years ago, there were about one point nine billion people on our planet. A thousand years ago, about two hundred and seventy-five million and ten thousand years ago, it is estimated only a few million.”
Rodriguez: “Such tiny numbers. I’m sorry, never mind. Do you see the problem yet?”
Mike: “What problem? No. Do tell.”
Rodriguez: “Think about it this way. Your society has had problems with limited resources when there were a few million people scattered around the globe, then a few hundred million, then a billion, and now at less than ten billion… on the same planet. I don’t know how to tell you this, but the resources aren’t the problem. People are.”
Mike: “Maybe it’s a technological limitation? I don’t know. I don’t have a good rebuttal of this logic. I get what you’re saying, though.”
Rodriguez: “One more question, if I may?”
Mike: “Of course.”
Rodriguez: “Are you generally worse off now than you were a hundred years ago, a thousand, ten thousand?”
Mike: “What do you mean?”
Rodriguez: “Do you live in more poverty? Is the standard of living worse? Is there more hunger and starvation now than in the past? Are there significantly less resources?”
Mike: “No, no! It’s the other way around. We have more of everything, problems with obesity, and despite industrialization, we have more energy resources than ever before. Advancements in science, farming, and technology have done wonders. God dammit! Now I’m proving your point, aren’t I?”
Rodriguez: “You might be. So, now that there are ten, a hundred, or a thousand times more people on the planet — a planet with limited and tight resources, as you say — all those people generally live better lives, have more access to resources, food, fuel, etc. and there is less lack?”
Mike: “Yes. I guess. I mean, yes! That’s true.”
Rodriguez: “So, tell me again, how the resources of your planet, as limited as they appear to be, are the problem?”
Mike: “I can’t. I see your point.”
Rodriguez: “I mean no offense, Mike.”
Mike: “I know. It’s fine. Don’t worry about it.”
Rodriguez: “One more thought on that before we move on. What would happen if there were fewer people on the planet right now? If you started losing your population? Let’s say that, for whatever reason, you go back to one billion or a million in a hundred years. What would happen to Earth? Would people live better and have more resources or worse?”
Mike: “I don’t know. I mean, they would have more resources, I guess. Fewer people, the same planet? It makes sense.”
Rodriguez: “Would the Earth just stay vacant as people disappeared?”
Mike: “I mean, am, no?”
Rodriguez: “We’d have to see, to be sure, but my guess is that animals and plants would more than replace humans in a few decades. When we leave an area empty of human activity, it is overgrown and overpopulated by other life forms almost immediately.”
Mike: “Yeah, I guess animals and plants would thrive without people, sure.”
Rodriguez: “Don’t they consume resources?”
Mike: “Well, yeah, but less than humans. Right?”
Rodriguez: “Some. But they also don’t use farming, don’t optimize production, or use technology. My point is that resources aren’t the problem. If there aren’t as many people, there are animals and plants. If there are people, there may be less of other life, but there is no lack of resources in either case. Ever. Nature adapts, and there is only ever as much life as it is sustainable. One way or another, there is a system in place, a natural system, that manages this balance. More life usually indicates more resources, but that’s a whole other topic.”
Mike: “You’ve given me a lot to think about, friend. I have to process all this. Let’s move on to the topic, which is the reason we invited you to our show. How do our two societies differ from your point of view?”
Rodriguez: “I have limited knowledge of your people. Mostly from what you and your team have told us. I can only speak from my side.”
Mike: “Of course. Please tell us, and our listeners, what your society is like?”
Rodriguez: “Normal. Ha-ha! From my perspective, our society is normal, natural, and logical.”
Mike: “I wish I could say the same, friend, but this concept of one people, one earth is as foreign to me as limitless resources.”
Rodriguez: “I’m beginning to think there could be a connection there.”
Mike: “You’re not the only one. But surely it can’t be that simple, right?”
Rodriguez: “Probably not. I’m afraid we’re not going to solve this riddle here today, Mike.”
Mike: “Too bad. I kind of like the headline — Interdimensional Talks saves humanity! Ha-ha!”
Rodriguez: “It does have a nice ring to it. You never know.”
Mike: “True. Alright. Tell me about how your society is organized. You said you don’t have borders. How does that work?”
Rodriguez: “Am, you move from one place to another without problems. You know, like the rest of the known universe, where there are no borders? Like birds migrate during winter, and whales follow their food all over the oceans. We just sort of flow with resources, climate, and our needs.”
Mike: “But how do you know where one nation or society ends and the other begins?”
Rodriguez: “When you exit the upper atmosphere, past the Moon, and look toward the Sun, you’ll know you left our society. What nation?! Mike, this is such a foreign concept to me. We are one people — humans of the Earth. We are Earthlings, dammit! That’s our nationality. I don’t see how we could be anything else.”
Mike: “Good one. I see your point. But surely you have some sort of distinctive characteristics, cultural differences, languages, or national identities? You can’t tell me that everyone on your planet is the same. You must have different skin colors, races, identities…”
Rodriguez: “What does that have to do with anything? Of course, we are all different. Even within a family unit, there are differences. Every community includes distinct people. Why is that important? You exclude people of certain looks, colors, and whatever else from your society? Is that a thing there?”
Mike: “Am, I mean. Yes and no.”
Rodriguez: “Which is it? Why?”
Mike: “Well, we’ve had problems with racism and nationalism…”
Rodriguez: “We don’t have those. What do they mean?”
Mike: “You don’t? I find that hard to believe. Don’t you have different races of people?”
Rodriguez: “We are all one species. What are these races? Are they like different sorts of animals?”
Mike: “You’re putting me on the spot here a little bit, friend.”
Rodriguez: “How so?”
Mike: “It’s kind of a taboo to talk about races. Racism is nasty and frowned upon.”
Rodriguez: “Okay, but can’t you explain it to me? Like, how many species of humans live on your planet, for example?”
Mike: “It’s not like that. At all. It’s… so we have people of color, white people, Indians… I’m sorry. I don’t feel comfortable talking about it.”
Rodriguez: “So you assign these labels based on people’s skin color or tan?”
Mike: “And nationality, specific physical traits… it’s complicated.”
Rodriguez: “I can imagine. How many races of humans then exist on your planet?”
Mike: “I don’t know. I don’t think there’s a strict universally accepted rulebook.”
Rodriguez: “Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m trying to understand. These groups then compete and fight with each other? You are different, so you don’t deserve access to resources, sort of thing? Am I getting this right?”
Mike: “You’re making us sound like violent monsters.”
Rodriguez: “I’m sorry. This is not my intention. I’m just trying to understand the motives and incentives for this hatred and violence. I’m coming up empty, I’m afraid.”
Mike: “How do you distinct between different people?”
Rodriguez: “We use names.”
Mike: “Ha-ha! Alright, alright. I get your point. So, no races and no racism. No borders and no nations.”
Rodriguez: “Past the moon, to the left…”
Mike: “Yeah, yeah, I get it. But how do you know who owns resources, land, things?”
Rodriguez: “There’s private property, owned by individuals, and then there’s public property, owned by no one, which would include land, natural resources, water, and so on.”
Mike: “But how does that work? Like how do you …”
Rodriguez: “Why don’t we fight over resources and kill each other over our differences? Are you seriously asking me this? I don’t understand why we would. We didn’t build the planet. No one owns a piece of Earth. That’s just ridiculous. You use it, take care of it, and build on it, but you never own it. Who would have the right to give it to you? What would give someone the right to sell you a piece of Earth? That’s like selling a part of the Moon.”
Mike: “Well, the previous owner, I guess.”
Rodriguez: “And who sold it to them?”
Mike: “The previous owner?”
Rodriguez: “If we take this back a few thousand years to the very first owner, how did he come into possession of the right to own and sell a part of your planet?”
Mike: “I would guess they sort of settled there and built houses and society in that particular area. And then they defended it against others, who wanted the land for themselves.”
Rodriguez: “Thus begins the circle of violence felt until this day, thousands of years into the future. Fascinating. I think our worlds are almost identical, only we didn’t go down that road. Ever. We simply use the natural resources as needed. We build houses in free, vacant lands, of which there is an infinite amount. I really don’t see this whole lack and limited resources perspective you have going. As we’ve established, there are ten times more of us, and Earth is still mostly vacant of humans. It boggles the mind.”
Mike: “One slight difference and everything turned out so differently. Here we are, absolutely convinced that there are already too many people for our planet and its resources. Amazing and utterly incomprehensible to me. “
Rodriguez: “Again, I don’t think the planet or resources are the problem, Mike. It’s just not an issue for us. You have almost infinite land, water, minerals, and animals. The more you need, the more you breed. Technology optimizes things. The environment adapts.”
Mike: “I mean, surely, at some point, it would have to come to that, right?”
Rodriguez: “Theoretically, I guess. What is your average population density?”
Mike: “Wait, I have to check. (pause) The computer says around 50 people per square kilometer.”
Rodriguez: “Sounds to me, there’s plenty of space left. I wouldn’t worry too much. There is no point fighting over land, friend.”
Mike: “I hear you. I don’t believe or can’t believe you, but I want to. I really do. Wait, but you do have wars, right?”
Rodriguez: “What’s a war, Mike?”
Mike: “Oh, for Christ’s sake, man! Tell me you’re joking?!”
Rodriguez: “Maybe it’s a language thing? I probably just don’t know the word.”
Mike: “I’m moving to your universe! ASAP! How do we get this done?”
Rodriguez: “I don’t think that’s an option, Mike. I would love to have you here, but even the fact that we can somehow communicate is a miracle.”
Mike: “And a privilege.”
Rodriguez: “Agreed. Eye-opening stuff.”
Mike: “I’m not letting you off the hook yet. So, a war is an armed conflict between nations.”
Rodriguez: “We don’t have nations, remember. We are all one people.”
Minke: “Hm, makes sense. Okay, I think I understand. How about religions? You do have those, right?”
Rodriguez: “Sure. Why?”
Mike: “Because those were responsible for about half the bloodshed in our history.”
Rodriguez: “You’re kidding?”
Mike: “I wish I were.”
Rodriguez: “The holly men and women fight in these wars? Why? That’s so unusual. On our world, they’re the symbols of love and pacifism. They’re focused on spiritual issues. What or who do you people worship?”
Mike: “Am. It’s complicated.”
Rodriguez: “I’m sure it is. Holly men are waging armed conflict? Wow! I learn something new every day, my friend.”
Mike: “How do different religions, assuming they’re not all one, find a way to coexist in your universe?”
Rodriguez: “Your questions are so insane, Mike! I wish you could hear them from my point of view. Religions are simply groups of people of similar beliefs worshiping their deities. Not unlike philosophies, they are just more concerned with the things beyond our comprehension. It’s a very personal and intimate thing, religion. Why would they fight each other? What would they gain by this?”
Mike: “That’s not a bad question, actually. More believers? More power, perhaps?”
Rodriguez: “Okay, and what do they need this power for?”
Mike: “What do you mean? Power is power!”
Rodriguez: “Water is water, but you need it for drinking. What do religions do with their power on your world?”
Mike: “They spread? I guess. Influence politics, gain resources, you know — power.”
Rodriguez: “I’m trying to come up with a reason why religions would want more believers, resources, and influence. I’m coming up empty again. Their business, if I can even call it that, is with nonmaterial things. They give people meaning and hope. They’re not for-profit organizations on our world.”
Mike: “Well, they’re not here either. At least, I think not.”
Rodriguez: “What’s the point then?”
Mike: “He, he, he. We’re not getting anywhere here, friend. We may live on the same planet, separated by a few parallel universes, but we are nothing alike. My intern just asked a question. Do you mind?”
Rodriguez: “Please.”
Mike: “He wants to know more about how you deal with resources if you don’t have borders and nations. How do you distribute water, food, and energy? Like, the practical ins and outs, you know?”
Rodriguez: “Sure. Energy is practically free, and everywhere, so that’s a mute question.”
Mike: “Wow, hold on. What do you mean, it’s practically free and everywhere?”
Rodriguez: “It’s not on your planet?”
Mike: “Hell no!”
Rodriguez: “Hm. Interesting. We’ve never had energy issues.”
Mike: “That’s just not possible.”
Rodriguez: “Why not?”
Mike: “I mean, with coal, for example. You have to dig for it, transport it, burn it in a plant, make electricity, and then somehow transfer it to end consumers. That’s not easy or free.”
Rodriguez: “I see. Well, if you had to do it from scratch, I guess it would be a problem. But society always develops next to resources. As it widens and spreads, the infrastructure develops with it. But even that was a problem of the past. With solar, nuclear, thermal, wind, kinetic, and wireless energy at every step, it’s just not a thing, and it hasn’t been for decades. Wait, you don’t have these technologies?”
Mike: “We do, we do. But they cost money!”
Rodriguez: “Yeah, pennies. Why would energy be expensive when it is so abundant and given to us freely by our planet and the solar system? All we have to do is capture, transform, and use it. I don’t see the problem. You drill a hole, and oil bursts out.
You set up a solar panel, and the sun gives you energy. You buy a small nuclear reactor, and you’re set for decades. There are hundreds of different ways to harness free energy. If you live near an ocean, the tide provides it for you. On a hill, you have the wind. Near thermal activity, well, you get the picture. I don’t see the problem, Mike.”
Mike: “A recurring theme for this conversation, friend. The problem is you have to pay someone to dig, build, and maintain the factories and the grid. All these things cost money.”
Rodriguez: “I’m sorry, but I’m being warned here that I should be careful what information I give you. With your planet’s violent ways, I must tread lightly not to make things worse.”
Mike: “So what would you suggest we do? Do you have any advice for us?”
Rodriguez: “I have no idea. Basic resources are necessities. The Earth provides them aplenty. Maybe just don’t try to control and horde them, preventing people’s access? When I hear you explain your ways, I’m reminded of a kid with access to an infinite pool of toys.
Instead of sharing that infinite, abundant, and always replenishing pool of toys that would cover all the playing needs of every single kid on the planet, he decides he owns them now and sets up a barrier. He builds a high fence and sics his father’s dog on anyone trying to take them, and extorts the other kids in exchange for giving them something he didn’t make and doesn’t own, just because he was there first. It’s madness. Dare I say vile?”
Mike: “Easier said than done. I like the analogy, but I don’t think I agree. It’s just how things work here and always have. I’m sure you have something similar on your world, don’t you?”
Rodriguez: “We have bandits and criminals. They sometimes put up roadblocks, demanding a fee for safe passage, or try taking something that doesn’t belong to them. When we catch them, we put them away. You seem to worship this predatory behavior while we punish it.”
Mike: “Hm. Fascinating. We put away our criminals as well, but I know that’s not what you were aiming at.
Rodriguez: “It wasn’t.”
Mike: “Do you have a lot of crime in your society?”
Rodriguez: “If I had to guess, I would say less than you, but we’re no angels. I think, but I don’t know, that the main difference is that since we all have access to basic things and aren’t so artificially divided, there are fewer reasons for crime and violence, especially on a larger scale. But it’s certainly not zero.”
Mike: “We’re wearing off course. Our time is almost up, and I have so many questions. Was there ever an era when you were more divided as people? A dark age or something similar?”
Rodriguez: “There were fluctuations, ups and downs, but it’s mostly weather-related. Good season, bad season, sort of thing. With the advent of technology, those problems went away for the most part. We are now able to adapt and work around the changes. Still, volcanoes erupt, and we have floods, earthquakes, and the like, so there are certainly trying times and mass migration events. Did you mean those?”
Mike: “I mean something more in the line of conflict, power grabs, and violence, but I am comforted that you have some problems as well. I’m kidding, of course.”
Rodriguez: “As I said, we have no mass violence events or your wars. It’s just not a thing in our universe. I seriously struggle to see any benefit to such horrible things. Why would killing millions of people benefit anyone? Just because they’re not part of your group. What do you gain? Some land? Then what? You move there? I just don’t get it.”
Mike: “Well, the truth is, it doesn’t benefit anyone. Not really. Except when it’s existential self-defense, I suppose. The rest is collective insanity, greed, lust for power, or insecurity of beliefs. A lovely mirror you have set for us. I think this might be the reason there are ten times more people on your Earth. You haven’t managed to kill each other on a massive scale, plus you don’t horde resources. Unimaginable, really.”
Rodriguez: “You have no idea how insane your society seems to us. We’re baffled here, in the studio. And grateful not to have gone down your path. As you know, our people are comparing notes off the air, and the things they’re showing me are terrifying. It’s like you’re some sort of violent, possessive brothers with rage issues we never knew we had. Some of our people had had to leave the studio and grab some fresh air. Your history is filled with violence and bloodshed on a scale unimaginable to us. I feel sorry for your people, Mike.”
Mike: “Thank you. I suppose. I’m a little envious of yours, but let’s face it, there’s no way for us to get to where you are. Wherever our universes have branched off was so long ago that we are just not the same people anymore. We may live on the same planet and look the same, but we’re wired completely differently.”
Rodriguez: “As much as I enjoy talking to you, let’s never meet. I have a horrible feeling my people would end up like some naive natives on your planet. Subjugated, exploited, and oppressed.”
Mike: “I can’t argue with you on that. Listen. You’ve given me a lot to think about. Can we talk again in the future?”
Rodriguez: “I’m being advised against it, Mike. I’m sorry. I make no promises. My people are terrified right now.”
Mike: “Huh. Well, that’s a first. Tell them I’m sorry to have frightened them. I’m sure they have nothing to fear. It’s not like we’re contagious. Besides, we’re practically not the same species anymore.”
Rodriguez: “It’s interesting. Your first impulse is to distinguish and label. Dividing our people into two species.”
Mike: “Oh? I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to…”
Rodriguez: “I know you didn’t. It’s natural to you. That is all your people have been doing throughout your whole history. Us against them. One is always better than the other. This is ours, not yours. It’s all so unnatural and tiring.”
Mike: “I see your point. I don’t know what to say, friend.”
Rodriguez: “I think it’s time to end this conversation, Mike. I would love to say it was a pleasure, but ... If nothing else, we have confirmation that our forefathers did the right thing, insisting on everyone being one people. The alternative is horrific. May you find peace and love in your hearts for your brothers and sisters, Mike. I hope you grow beyond these divisive ways as a people.”
Mike: “Thank you. I hope that your people manage to stay in the direction you’re in. It seems to be the better way, as unimaginable as it may seem from our perspecitve. Thank you for your time, Mr. Rodriguez.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen. That’s it for today’s episode of Interdimensional Talks. I have to admit, I’m feeling kind of down at the moment. Learning there is another way to live which results in peace and harmony for humanity, but knowing we can never get to that place is depressing.
This conversation was revealing. It showed us our ugly sides. Bad mirror, bad! It revealed that somewhere out there, in the multitude of other Earths, there is at least one where they don’t murder each other over land, resources, nationality, or religion. They don’t even understand the meaning of those words.
I know. It’s hard to believe. Our whole worldview revolves around fighting, possession, and limitations. We can’t even imagine things being any different. Funny enough, I sincerely believe Rodrigez and his people have been equally shocked by our ways. Anyway, that’s all from me. I need a drink. Good night, everyone!”
THE END
PREVIOUS EPISODES:
Underwater Aliens With a Message of Warning for Humanity
An alien claiming to live under our planet’s ocean and wants to warn us about the return of our ancestors. They say it won’t be a happy family reunion. (Interdimensional Talks -Episode 13)
What If Everyone On Earth Lost Their Memories Simultaneously?
Who are we without our memories, and what would the world look like if we had no past? Who would be motivated and capable of deleting our memories? (Interdimensional Talks -Episode 12)
Free Energy Revolution Caused 2 Billion Casualties
Is free energy possible? What would happen if this technology were suddenly released into the world? Would “the Oil Barons” just stand by and watch? (Interdimensional Talks -Episode 11)
God Returned and Unleashed a Devastating Apocalypse
In a parallel universe, God is an alien overlord, and he has rendered his judgment - all life on Earth must perish! We talk with survivors of the apocalypse. (Interdimensional Talks -Episode 10)
How Would It Feel To Realize You’re Living In a Simulation?
What is living in a simulation like? How did people react to this realization? Are you certain we are real boys and girls living in the real world? (Interdimensional Talks -Episode 9)
How to Solve Crime, Prevent Murder, and Stop Terrorism?
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A Dire Warning About the Dangers of Playing God (CERN - Large Hadron Collider)
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Cassius — Ascending Into Digital Form: What Is it Like To Have no Body?
(Interdimensional Talks -Episode 6)
In a parallel universe, humanity transcended their bodies to live in a digital world. Would you upload your consciousness to the cloud in exchange for immortality?
Enekian, Our Lost Atlantian Brother Reaches Out
(Interdimensional Talks — Episode 5)
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Etherious Maximus — A Life Eternal
(Interdimensional Talks — Episode 4)
What is it like to immortal? To never die? To live for hundreds, even thousands of years?
An Alien Predator On a Journey of Radical Transparency
(Interdimensional Talks — Episode 3)
We talk to Xsidious, The Great Hunter, about his personal journey of philosophy and the way of his people.
What If You Forgot Everything In a Collective Amnesia Every 364 Days?
Can you imagine a life without memories? A new year - a new you! How would it feel to be free from your past? (Interdimensional Talks - Episode 2)
Self-Aware General Artificial Intelligence
(Interdimensional Talks — Episode 1)
What would you ask a conscious general artificial intelligence? Below is our conversation.
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